Tuesday, November 1, 2011

Slaughterhouse Five Seminar





Seminar Reflection Slaughterhouse Five
India Waller
Reaction:
                In seminar we were asked whether Slaughterhouse 5 is an anti-war novel.  At first it was banter of yes’s and no’s based on events in the book, but then we began to look closer.  Someone, not quite sure who, said that maybe Vonnegut’s truth of war for this book was not in the events but in the undertones of the book.  This got me thinking about how we are affected and how we are influenced.  It brought me back to propaganda and how we are affected by words and images.  There is direct order but there is also a less obvious way to manipulate.  Leaders can make people do things out of fear or love but it is most effective when people are doing it because they believe in it.  When we read Slaughterhouse 5 we are being affected in ways we don’t even know.  The best of writers are able to manipulate us in ways we are unaware of.  The phrase “passive aggressive” was used to describe Vonnegut.   Instead of stating his truth of war outright Vonnegut gives us subtle nudges and hints and lets us figure it out for ourselves.  An example of this is when Billy is at his anniversary and has a break down.  Vonnegut doesn’t tell us directly what the break down is about, he wants us to come to a conclusion ourselves.  It seems to me that every piece of good fiction is propaganda of some sort, expressing the authors opinion in one way or another.      
Detailed Response: 
                Billy is a strange character; he gets abducted by aliens, travels through time and looks like a flamingo.  He’s dull, emotionless and matter of fact.  The question is does he have these adventures because he’s insane, or is it the truth, or maybe he just made it up?  I believe Billy needs to believe he has no control over his life, and that things will happen no matter what he does.  On page 115 of Slaughterhouse 5 Vonnegut writes: “Whatever poor Billy saw through the pipes, he had no choice but to say to himself, “That’s life.””  This passage really shows how Billy transfers his emotions into inevitability.  Billy does this because he can’t stand the responsibility of free will.  It is so much easier to transfer that responsibility to fate. 
                Vonnegut uses Billy to show a part of human nature that is in all of us but we don’t want to acknowledge it.  That attitude of, “I’m just one person so I can’t make a difference”.  “Billy fled up the stairs in his nice white house.”(Vonnegut, p. 176)  This was when he had the breakdown on his anniversary; I believe that Billy is realizing that he’s telling himself this lie.  This quote shows how having a “nice white house” doesn’t mean much in the end, it’s what you do for other people that makes your life worth living.  Maybe Billy realizes this after the plane crash and that’s why he finally shares with other people about his experiences.  What I love most about Vonnegut’s novels is that he leaves them open for interpretation. 
Connection:
                In the seminar we talked about whether Billy’s “so it goes” attitude was a good or bad thing.  I connected this to when my 7 year old cousin died and my aunt and uncle had two different way of grieving.  My aunt was the opposite of Billy, she wouldn’t let go of him or more over wouldn’t let go of the grief.  My uncle on the other hand refused to grieve and just wanted to move on.  I used this to show that things are never good in the extreme.  You need to be able move on but you also need to be able to grieve.  Billy doesn’t do this he never really takes the time to acknowledge his feelings, bad or good, he just is.  Kind of like the idea that one needs to go back to go forward.  I don’t think Billy is ever really happy in his life because he’s never really sad in his life.  There is no happiness without sadness.
Lori’s Choice:    
The main characters in both the books take on this unfeeling attitude.  Billy because of his experiences with time travel and the Tralfamadorians, and Paul because the horrors of war were only bearable if he disconnected himself commpletly.  “When a Tralfamadorian sees a corpse, all he thinks is that the dead person is in bad conditions in that particular moment, but that same person is just fine in plenty of other moments.  Now, when I myself hear that somebody is dead, I simply shrug and say what the Tralfamadorians say about dead people, which is ‘So it goes.’” (Vonnegut, p. 27)  In this passage we see the belief of the Tralfamadorians, and how it affects Billy’s emotions.  “Katczinsky has died.  Then I know nothing more.” (Remarque, p. 291)  This shows how war sucked the feeling out of Paul.  Both characters went through experiences that caused them to become robots.  Maybe Vonnegut used Billy and the Tralfamadorians to show how experiences and knowledge shape our character.  Slaughterhouse 5 is full of many hidden meanings, it might be that Billy made up all the time traveling and aliens so he could escape the truths of the horrors of war.  Billy and Paul are quite similar.  One escaped into darkness, and the other into insanity.  
 
                

All Quiet on the Western Front Seminar





Seminar Reflection
India Waller
Lori’s Choice Question: 
                    The truth of war depends on the person, so this quote represents the truth of war for a soldier.  “In quiet hours when the puzzling reflection of former days like a blurred mirror, projects beyond me the figure of my present existence, I often sit over against myself, as before a stranger, and wonder how the unnameable active principle that calls itself to life has adapted itself even to this form.  All other expressions lie in a winter sleep, life is simply one continual watch against the menace of death; ---it has transformed us into unthinking animals in order to give us the weapon of instinct --- it has reinforced us with dullness, so that we do not go to pieces before the horror, which would overwhelm us if we had clear, conscious thought --- it has awakened in us the sense of comradeship, so that we escape the abyss of solitude--- it has lent us the indifference of wild creatures, so that in spite of all, we perceive the positive in every moment, and store it up as a reserve against the onslaught of nothingness.  Thus we live a closed, hard existence of the utmost superficiality, and rarely does an incident strike out a spark.  But then unexpectedly a flame of grievous and terrible yearning flares up.”  -All Quiet on the Western Front (page 273 middle of paragraph 2)  

                    I chose this quote because I feel it really shows what war does to the soldiers fighting it, which to me is the truth of war.  The truth of war does not come from the logical mind of a philosopher, nor does it come from the mind of a General standing over his map, it comes from the experiences of the ones fighting it.  This quote shows how war hardens and dulls a person, how it turns one more creature than human.  It also speaks of how the only thing a soldier has is his comrades.  It speaks of the “hard existence of the utmost superficiality” but also of the “grievous and terrible yearning”.  All these things are horrible truths of war. 
                    I would represent this truth through a piece of art work of some kind.   A picture is worth a thousand words.  If I can figure out a way to portray all the emotions and things that is a result of war in a picture of some sort that would be amazing. 
Reactions: 
                    A concept that was disgust during seminar that was very interesting to me was the question; “when is war necessary?”  Before this seminar I had never really thought about it.  Of course I had thought about war before “its bad blaaa blaa blaa” but I had never really thought about why the wars were fought.  When is war the right thing to do?  Is it ever?  At the end of the discussion most of us agreed that there are occasions when war is necessary.   An example of a war that was necessary to fight was WW1.  Our logic was that the slaughter of thousands of innocent people was a good enough reason to fight.  What would have happen if the war hadn’t been fought?   This discussion was interesting and eye opening.  It helped me look at war, and fighting in general with a new perspective. 
  Detailed Response:
                    The death and destruction is nothing compared to agony and depression.  Nothingness is preferable to feeling.  The soldiers in that trench were not affected so much by the pain of the animal.  The heart wrenching, ear piercing cry of the innocent, that’s what they reacted so strongly to.  “We are pale.  Detering stands up.  “God!  For God’s sake!  Shoot them.””(Remarque 62)  These innocent creatures suffering was the thing that upset them the most.  Death they have numbed themselves to.  So, why is the horses pain that much worse than a man’s pain.  I believe that there is three reasons for this.  One, horses do not grit their teeth and fight the urge to scream they let it out which intensifies the noise which Implies more pain.  Second they are innocent loyal creatures, pure in a way.  Pure things should not die such a horrible death.  Third, they could not see the animals therefore the cries seemed    like screams of agony from the world. 
                    “It’s unendurable.  It is the moaning of the world, it is the martyred creation, wild anguish, filled with terror, and groaning.” (Remarque 62)  To these men of death, the only way to survive is to become “unthinking animals”, all the death “has reinforced us(them) with dullness, so that we(they) do not go to pieces before the horror, which would overwhelm us(them) if we(they) had clear, conscious thought.” These quotes come from AQotWF page 273.  The cries of the horses awaken feeling in these men.  It reminds them of the pain that they have tried their best to ignore.  The horses cry of anguish turn into their cries of anguish.  But the pain is too much; it is unbearable just like the screams of the dying noble beasts was to their tortured minds. 
Connections:   
                    In seminar we talked about how the soldiers reacted so much stronger to the deaths of the horses than the men.  I can relate to this in the way that when I read the book Where the Red Fern Grows I balled my eyes out but when I watched one of those war movies with my brother I feel almost nothing when  a man gets stabbed.